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Thinking about paying for sex
2017-07-19 · 9 min
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So I want to talk about prostitution, I
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0:00–0:03 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_0guess. You know, paying for sex. There
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0:03–0:05 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_1have been a few times where I've actually
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0:06–0:07 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_2thought about paying for sex. This mostly
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0:07–0:10 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_3happened last year when I was in Japan and
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0:10–0:12 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_4I couldn't find a girlfriend. A few times
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0:12–0:14 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_5the thought of going to some place and
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0:15–0:16 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_6paying a girl to have sex with me did
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0:17–0:18 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_7cross my mind. It's just that as someone
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0:18–0:21 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_8who has social anxiety and is really lazy,
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0:21–0:23 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_9the idea of getting on a train and then
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0:24–0:26 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_10going to some kind of shady establishment
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0:26–0:28 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_11Because it has to be shady, right?
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0:29–0:31 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_12Because prostitution is illegal in Japan.
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0:31–0:33 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_13If it's illegal, it must be run by a bunch
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0:34–0:35 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_14of shady people, and that sounds kind of
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0:36–0:39 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_15intimidating. The idea of getting on a
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0:39–0:41 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_16train and going all the way to that kind
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0:41–0:43 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_17of building and then having to pay
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0:43–0:45 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_18hundreds of dollars just to have sex once,
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0:45–0:47 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_19it just sounds like too much work. You
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0:48–0:50 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_20know, I love having sex, but I'm not
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0:50–0:52 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_21willing to pay hundreds and hundreds of
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0:52–0:54 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_22dollars just to have it Just once.
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0:54–0:56 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_23So a few days ago I was looking up these
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1:00–1:01 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_24buildings called soaplands in Japan, and
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1:01–1:04 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_25the idea is that they give you a massage,
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1:05–1:07 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_26but there's usually several courses. The
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1:07–1:10 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_27basic course just gives you a massage and
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1:10–1:12 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_28that's it, but there's a more expensive
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1:12–1:14 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_29course where you can actually get sex at
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1:14–1:17 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_30the end of it, or during the middle of it,
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1:17–1:19 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_31or at the beginning. I wonder if you can
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1:19–1:21 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_32just pay for the sex and not get the
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1:21–1:23 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_33massage. I don't really see what the
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1:23–1:26 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_34difference is between paying for sex and
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1:26–1:29 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_35paying for a massage. They're basically
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1:29–1:30 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_36the same things, aren't they? You walk
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1:31–1:32 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_37into a building, you pay a woman or a man,
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1:33–1:36 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_38and then they give you a physical—
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1:37–1:38 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_39physically pleasurable activity
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1:39–1:41 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_40experience. It's pretty much the same.
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1:41–1:44 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_41Why is paying for sex illegal but paying
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1:44–1:47 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_42for massage— massages is perfectly
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1:47–1:51 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_43okay. I don't understand it.
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1:51–1:52 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_44I don't see what's wrong with paying for
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1:55–1:56 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_45sex if that's what the woman wants to do
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1:57–1:59 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_46and she's not being forced into doing it,
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1:59–2:01 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_47because both of them get something out of
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2:04–2:06 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_48it. The man gets sex and the woman gets
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2:06–2:08 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_49money. Isn't that how relationships and
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2:09–2:11 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_50marriage work anyway? You just cut out the
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2:11–2:13 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_51faff and the fussing. You know, all the
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2:13–2:16 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_52dating crap, you know, just get straight
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2:16–2:18 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_53to business and have sex. It sounds a lot
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2:18–2:22 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_54easier. But the thing I don't
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2:22–2:25 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_55like about paying for sex is if you pay a
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2:25–2:28 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_56girl to have sex with you, then you know
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2:29–2:30 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_57that she doesn't really want to have sex
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2:30–2:32 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_58with you. She just wants the money, and
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2:32–2:34 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_59that takes away a lot of the pleasure. I
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2:34–2:36 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_60think a lot of the pleasure that comes
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2:36–2:38 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_61from sex isn't just having sex in itself.
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2:38–2:41 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_62But also the fact that this woman or this
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2:41–2:44 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_63girl likes you enough that she would let
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2:44–2:47 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_64you have sex with her. That's like, like
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2:48–2:51 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_65you've won. It's like winning the
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2:51–2:52 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_66challenge of getting someone to like you.
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2:52–2:53 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_67I can have sex with someone that I don't
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2:54–2:56 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_68really like that much, that I don't really
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2:56–2:58 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_69feel like I love. That's fine. But I want
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2:58–3:01 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_70the person that I'm having sex with to be
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3:01–3:03 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_71really into me. And if
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3:03–3:07 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_72you have sex with a prostitute, then you
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3:07–3:08 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_73don't get that. That part of the
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3:09–3:10 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_74experience is missing.
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3:11–3:11 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_75The main thing that really scares me about
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3:15–3:16 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_76paying someone to have sex with me is what
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3:16–3:19 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_77if I really enjoy it? What if I really
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3:20–3:21 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_78like it and I get hooked and I
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3:21–3:25 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_79end up paying someone to have sex with me
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3:25–3:27 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_80every day, every week, 4 times a month?
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3:27–3:30 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_81I'd end up spending all my money on paying
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3:30–3:34 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_82people to have sex with me and I'll end up
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3:34–3:36 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_83running out of money, essentially.
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3:37–3:38 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_84I wonder if I had loads of money, would I
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3:43–3:45 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_85just go to prostitutes all the time? I
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3:45–3:48 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_86guess if I had loads of money, I wouldn't
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3:48–3:50 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_87really need to go to a prostitute because
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3:50–3:51 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_88then I could just attract a sexual partner
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3:52–3:55 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_89naturally because I'd have loads of money.
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3:55–3:57 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_90Isn't that what girls like?
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3:58–4:00 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_91Money. It kind of feels like cheating,
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4:02–4:04 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_92doesn't it? Most people have to work hard
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4:04–4:06 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_93to find someone that will let them have
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4:07–4:08 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_94sex with them. You know, they have to work
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4:08–4:11 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_95hard on their appearance, getting a good
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4:12–4:14 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_96job,
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4:14–4:14 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_97developing an interesting personality. If
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4:16–4:19 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_98you just pay someone to have sex with you,
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4:20–4:21 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_99then you don't have to do any of that.
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4:21–4:22 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_100You just give them some money and they'll,
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4:23–4:25 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_101they'll have sex with you. You don't have
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4:25–4:27 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_102to worry about how you look or if you earn
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4:27–4:30 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_103a lot of money. Well, I guess if you want
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4:31–4:32 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_104to pay for sex, you need to earn some
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4:33–4:34 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_105money. It's kind of like how people used
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4:34–4:37 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_106to buy gold in World of Warcraft. Most
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4:37–4:40 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_107people in World of Warcraft, they would
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4:40–4:41 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_108work hard to improve their characters, to
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4:42–4:44 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_109get new gear, but then you get those
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4:45–4:45 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_110idiots who just pay some money to some
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4:46–4:48 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_111Chinese person for gold and they get
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4:51–4:53 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_113it. I used to do that. I used to spend
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4:57–4:59 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_115Warcraft. I actually somehow I found out
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5:02–5:04 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_117and I must have spent nearly £500 on gold
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5:11–5:12 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_120I bought so much stuff. I bought my epic
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5:21–5:22 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_124said, Daniel, What are all these payments
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5:26–5:28 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_126myself, shit. I knew he was gonna find out
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5:44–5:46 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_133angry. He didn't really say much.
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5:46–5:47 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_134He doesn't say much a lot of the time,
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5:50–5:52 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_135actually. But the thing is,
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5:56–5:58 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_137gold that I purchased with real money,
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6:00–6:02 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_139the auction house, I, I kind of felt like
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6:21–6:22 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_146the value of the thing that you've
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6:24–6:28 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_148you had worked for it. I think sex is kind
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6:28–6:31 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_149of the same. Maybe if the whole process
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6:32–6:35 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_150was more automated, I'd be more tempted to
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6:35–6:37 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_151do it. For example, they could have a
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6:37–6:39 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_152website or an application where you just
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6:39–6:41 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_153You go on there and then you choose a
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6:41–6:43 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_154girl, you choose a girl, and then you
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6:43–6:45 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_155choose how long you want to do it for.
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6:45–6:47 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_156And then you pay online and then she comes
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6:47–6:51 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_157to your place, kind of like ordering a
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6:51–6:53 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_158pizza. Or maybe you could go to her place
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6:53–6:55 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_159or go to wherever the company building is
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6:56–6:58 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_160and you just go in, you enter like some
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6:59–7:01 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_161kind of code that you receive from the
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7:01–7:04 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_162app, and then you enter your private room
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7:04–7:06 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_163and then you have sex and then you leave,
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7:06–7:08 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_164you know, zero human interaction. If you
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7:08–7:10 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_165could do it like that, then I think I'd be
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7:10–7:13 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_166very tempted to try it out at least once.
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7:13–7:15 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_167The main thing that puts me off about
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7:16–7:18 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_168paying for sex is, like I said before,
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7:18–7:19 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_169having to go into a shady establishment
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7:20–7:22 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_170and dealing with some guy, explaining to
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7:22–7:25 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_171him why I'm there, and then paying him,
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7:26–7:28 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_172and then I guess he would have to show you
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7:28–7:30 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_173around or explain to you how the system
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7:31–7:33 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_174works, and I just don't want that. It's
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7:33–7:36 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_175already embarrassing enough that I'd have
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7:36–7:37 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_176to pay for sex. I don't want to have to
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7:38–7:40 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_177Talk to some guy in the building or
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7:40–7:42 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_178receptionist. Just make it more automated,
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7:43–7:45 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_179make it more anonymous. Then I'd give it a
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7:45–7:48 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_180try. I don't think I'd feel
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7:49–7:52 · rev_7b1ba447ec8dcc234348b83a9f0eaf2b_181ashamed for doing that. It's an
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