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Onision - DELETED From Twitch!
2020-01-15 · 7 min
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Well, well, well, isn't it a great victory
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0:00–0:03 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_0for the internet today? We finally did it,
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0:03–0:05 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_1boys and girls. Onision has been banned
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0:05–0:08 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_2from Twitch as well. Not only has he been
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0:08–0:10 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_3banned from Patreon, but it's recently
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0:10–0:13 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_4become known that he's also been banned
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0:13–0:15 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_5from the streaming platform known as
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0:15–0:17 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_6Twitch. It seems as though the walls are
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0:17–0:19 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_7closing in and days are getting dark for
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0:20–0:22 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_8poor old James Gregory, or whatever his
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0:22–0:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_9name is these days. So if you go onto
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0:25–0:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_10Twitter and look up this Twitter account
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0:27–0:30 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_11called Streamer Bans, it seems to be some
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0:30–0:32 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_12kind of automated bot that automatically
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0:32–0:34 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_13announces when someone gets banned on
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0:34–0:35 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_14Twitch. And if you go onto Twitch and you
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0:35–0:38 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_15try to look up Onision's channel, you'll
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0:38–0:40 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_16find that it's no longer there. I would
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0:41–0:42 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_17say this is a great victory for the
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0:43–0:44 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_18internet because people have been trying
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0:44–0:45 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_19to get Onision off of the internet since,
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0:46–0:49 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_20I don't know, for years and years now.
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0:49–0:51 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_21There's been petitions trying to remove
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0:51–0:53 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_22him because he's a dangerous personality.
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0:53–0:55 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_23You know, it always seemed kind of like he
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0:56–0:58 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_24was untouchable. It seemed like he could
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0:58–1:00 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_25do anything he wanted to, didn't matter
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1:00–1:02 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_26how bad he behaved and treated other
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1:02–1:05 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_27people. He was just completely
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1:05–1:06 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_28untouchable, and these platforms wouldn't
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1:06–1:08 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_29take any notice or remove him or take down
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1:09–1:11 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_30his channels. But I think those days are
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1:11–1:14 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_31coming to an end, especially with Chris
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1:14–1:15 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_32Hansen blowing this whole case up
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1:15–1:19 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_33to so many new eyes, including myself. I,
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1:19–1:21 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_34to be honest, wasn't really interested in
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1:21–1:23 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_35this whole Onision stuff. I knew of him,
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1:23–1:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_36but I never really cared about any of the
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1:25–1:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_37drama that followed him. And I am getting
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1:28–1:29 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_38quite into the livestreams with Chris
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1:29–1:31 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_39Hansen. Wow, 19,000 people currently
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1:32–1:33 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_40watching. I think Chris Hansen is doing a
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1:33–1:36 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_41really good job at bringing these
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1:36–1:38 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_42incidents and this person and all of the
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1:38–1:41 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_43things that are happening to a wider
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1:41–1:43 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_44audience. And, and I really think these
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1:43–1:45 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_45social media platforms are going to find
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1:45–1:47 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_46it very difficult to turn a blind eye when
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1:47–1:49 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_47there's so much public outrage going on In
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1:49–1:51 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_48regards to Onision. I guess the ultimate
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1:52–1:54 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_49goal would be to eventually get him taken
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1:55–1:57 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_50off of YouTube as well. We haven't gotten
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1:57–1:59 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_51that far yet, but I think getting him off
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1:59–2:01 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_52Patreon and Twitch has been an amazing
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2:01–2:03 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_53first and second step. It would be really
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2:04–2:06 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_54interesting to find out if YouTube is
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2:07–2:09 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_55going to take action or if they're going
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2:09–2:10 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_56to just pretend this isn't happening,
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2:10–2:12 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_57because I guess technically Onision hasn't
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2:12–2:15 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_58done anything to get himself banned,
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2:15–2:17 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_59otherwise he would have strikes by now.
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2:17–2:19 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_60But when you've been doing YouTube for
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2:19–2:21 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_61such a long time, you start to learn what
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2:21–2:23 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_62you can and cannot do, and it starts to
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2:24–2:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_63become pretty easy to sidestep getting
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2:25–2:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_64strikes. You just don't do anything that
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2:27–2:29 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_65breaks YouTube guidelines, and as long as
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2:29–2:31 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_66you don't break their guidelines, you are
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2:31–2:33 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_67pretty much guaranteed not to get taken
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2:33–2:35 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_68off of the website. All of it has just
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2:36–2:38 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_69been building up and building up and
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2:38–2:40 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_70escalating and escalating. I think we're
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2:40–2:41 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_71finally reaching the breaking point. The
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2:42–2:44 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_72breaking point will come It's just going
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2:44–2:46 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_73to be a matter of time. It's not going to
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2:46–2:47 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_74be a matter of if, it's a matter of when
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2:48–2:50 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_75and how hard this breaks and all comes
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2:50–2:52 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_76crashing down on top of Onision. So to
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2:52–2:55 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_77celebrate Onision getting removed off
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2:55–2:57 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_78Twitch, let's read some of the replies and
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2:57–2:59 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_79comments on the StreamBands Twitter
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2:59–3:02 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_80account. So MurderBit says, not only is—
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3:02–3:05 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_81was he a partner, but with only 3K
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3:05–3:07 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_82followers, that means someone had to
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3:08–3:09 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_83authorize him despite not having a large
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3:09–3:11 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_84enough viewership. Which means that person
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3:11–3:14 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_85had to know exactly who he is to make an
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3:14–3:16 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_86exception. So basically this means that
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3:16–3:18 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_87someone at Twitch did review Onision's
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3:18–3:21 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_88account when he initially made it and had
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3:21–3:23 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_89to decide whether to let him on the
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3:24–3:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_90platform or not in the first place, which
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3:26–3:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_91I guess in hindsight was a big mistake.
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3:28–3:30 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_92After everything that's been happening, I
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3:31–3:32 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_93don't really think it comes too much of a
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3:32–3:33 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_94surprise that Twitch decided to remove him
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3:34–3:35 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_95from their platform. I mean, would you
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3:35–3:37 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_96really want someone like Onision to be
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3:38–3:39 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_97representing your platform? If they're
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3:39–3:41 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_98associated with him and they refuse to
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3:41–3:43 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_99take him down, then That just makes Twitch
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3:44–3:45 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_100look bad. It makes people think, hey
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3:46–3:47 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_101Twitch, why aren't you taking this person
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3:47–3:49 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_102off of your platform when he's done all of
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3:49–3:50 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_103these terrible things? It kind of makes
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3:50–3:52 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_104you look like you're supporting him or you
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3:53–3:54 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_105don't really mind that he's done these
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3:55–3:55 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_106things. And I suppose Twitch does mind if
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3:56–3:58 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_107people think that they are supporting
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3:58–4:01 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_108someone who has— who has basically— he has
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4:01–4:03 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_109the spotlight of the public eye looking
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4:04–4:06 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_110down on him, hoping that he gets punished
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4:06–4:08 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_111and hoping that judgment gets served. Now
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4:09–4:11 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_112here's the thing with Twitch. Once you've
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4:11–4:12 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_113gotten banned off of Twitch, it's really,
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4:13–4:14 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_114really difficult to get back on. It's not
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4:15–4:17 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_115the same as YouTube. On YouTube, even if
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4:17–4:19 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_116you get banned, although you're not
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4:19–4:20 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_117supposed to, it's against the guidelines
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4:20–4:22 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_118to make a new account, there's nothing
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4:22–4:24 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_119really stopping you from making a new
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4:24–4:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_120account. You can do lots of things to hide
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4:26–4:28 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_121the fact that it's you behind the account.
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4:28–4:29 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_122You can just stop showing your face, pay
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4:29–4:31 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_123someone to voice over your videos instead
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4:32–4:33 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_124of voicing them yourself. There have been
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4:34–4:36 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_125several pretty big YouTubers who have been
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4:36–4:38 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_126banned off of YouTube, but they are still
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4:38–4:40 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_127on YouTube because they just made a new
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4:41–4:41 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_128channel and somehow got around the
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4:42–4:43 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_129guidelines and managed to stay on YouTube.
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4:43–4:46 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_130Keemstar is one example. But Twitch is
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4:46–4:49 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_131kind of different in many ways. It's a lot
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4:49–4:51 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_132stricter on Twitch. Once you've gotten
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4:51–4:53 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_133banned from Twitch, if you try and make a
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4:54–4:55 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_134new Twitch account, you need to get your
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4:55–4:57 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_135new account verified. And if you've been
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4:57–5:00 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_136added to the ban list and they review your
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5:00–5:01 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_137accounts, they're not going to authorize
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5:02–5:03 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_138it and they'll just ban you again. This is
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5:03–5:05 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_139one of the reasons why Ice Poseidon was
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5:07–5:09 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_141he got banned. And the other thing about
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5:09–5:11 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_142Twitch is, if you're banned on Twitch and
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5:11–5:13 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_143you even appear on someone else's Twitch
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5:14–5:16 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_144account or on someone else's Twitch
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5:16–5:18 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_145stream, then that person also gets banned.
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5:18–5:21 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_146So all of Ice Poseidon's friends on Twitch
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5:21–5:23 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_147refused to stream with him anymore out of
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5:23–5:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_148fear that they'll also get banned just for
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5:25–5:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_149streaming with him. It's— it's pretty
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5:27–5:29 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_150strict on Twitch, and it's safe to say
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5:29–5:31 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_151that I don't think Onision would ever be
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5:33–5:36 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_153Onision being banned from all of these
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5:36–5:38 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_154really big large platforms, he's basically
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5:38–5:41 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_155playing this game of hopping around to
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5:41–5:43 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_156different platforms trying to avoid the
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5:43–5:45 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_157ban hammer. And I'm not sure how long he's
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5:46–5:48 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_158going to be able to last doing that.
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5:49–5:50 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_159Eventually he's going to run out of
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5:50–5:51 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_160platforms. Eventually there's going to be
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5:51–5:53 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_161no more platforms for him to turn to and
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5:54–5:55 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_162he's going to be banned off of everything.
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5:56–5:57 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_163I think the only option he really has is
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5:58–6:00 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_164to make his own website and and try and
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6:00–6:02 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_165get his remaining dwindling fans and
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6:03–6:05 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_166viewers to go and watch him over there.
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6:06–6:07 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_167But yeah, things are looking really bleak
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6:07–6:09 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_168for him. I'm not trying to sound like I'm
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6:09–6:11 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_169defending him, but I do kind of feel a
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6:11–6:13 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_170little bit of empathy for him, even though
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6:13–6:17 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_171he probably deserves all of this. Because
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6:17–6:19 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_172at the end of the day, he still has kids
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6:19–6:20 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_173to provide for, and the kids are
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6:20–6:22 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_174completely innocent. They don't deserve to
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6:22–6:25 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_175not be provided for just because their
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6:26–6:27 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_176father is completely mentally ill and
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6:28–6:30 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_177deranged and getting banned off of all of
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6:30–6:32 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_178the platforms that he usually uses
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6:32–6:35 · rev_8d1d6f8d13b6e53cf46d5d2d3cc5035b_179to make his income on.
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